So what is the truth about the Crusades?
They were a direct response to Muslim aggression—an attempt to turn back or defend against Muslim conquests of Christian lands.
Muslim thought divides the world into two spheres, the Abode of Islam and the Abode of War. Christianity—and for that matter any other non-Muslim religion—has no abode. Christians and Jews can be tolerated within a Muslim state under Muslim rule. But, in traditional Islam, Christian and Jewish states must be destroyed and their lands conquered.
it is a fact that the world we know today would not exist without their efforts. The ancient faith of Christianity, with its respect for women and antipathy toward slavery, not only survived but flourished. Without the Crusades, it might well have followed Zoroastrianism, another of Islam’s rivals, into extinction. http://www.crisismagazine.com/april2002/cover.htm
Myth 1: The Crusades were wars of unprovoked aggression against a peaceful Muslim world.
Myth 2: The Crusaders wore crosses, but they were really only interested in capturing booty and land. Their pious platitudes were just a cover for rapacious greed.
Myth 3: When the Crusaders captured Jerusalem in 1099 they massacred every man, woman, and child in the city until the streets ran ankle deep with the blood
Myth 4: The Crusades were just medieval colonialism dressed up in religious finery
Myth 5: The Crusades were also waged against the Jews.
Myth 6: The Crusades were so corrupt and vile that they even had a Children’s Crusade.
Myth 7: Pope John Paul II apologized for the Crusades
Myth 8: Muslims, who remember the Crusades vividly, have good reason to hate the West
http://www.ignatiusinsight.com/features2005/print2005/tmadden_crusades_print.html
The Myth of Hitler's Pope, Rabbi David G. Dalin
"Moreover, notes historian Thomas Madden, "of all medieval institutions, the [Catholic] Church stood alone in Europe in its consistent condemnation of Jewish persecutions." Throughout the Middle Ages, Rome and the papal states "were the only places in [western] Europe where the Jews were at all times free from attacks or expulsions." The Jews were expelled from Crimea in 1016, Paris in 1182, England in 1290, France in 1306, Switzerland in 1348, Hungary in 1349, Provence in 1394, Austria in 1422, Spain in 1492, Lithuania in 1495, and Portugal in 1497, In Italy, however, the Jewish community was under papal protection and was never expelled. Indeed, by the beginning of the fifteenth century, "the only safe place in Europe to be a Jew was in the lands of the pope."
The Real InquisitionInvestigating the popular myth.
Among the best recent books on the subject are Edward Peters's Inquisition (1988) and Henry Kamen's The Spanish Inquisition (1997), but there are others. Simply put, historians have long known that the popular view of the Inquisition is a myth. So what is the truth?
The Inquisition was not born out of desire to crush diversity or oppress people; it was rather an attempt to stop unjust executions. Yes, you read that correctly. Heresy was a crime against the state. Roman law in the Code of Justinian made it a capital offense. Rulers, whose authority was believed to come from God, had no patience for heretics. Neither did common people, who saw them as dangerous outsiders who would bring down divine wrath. When someone was accused of heresy in the early Middle Ages, they were brought to the local lord for judgment,
Compared to other medieval secular courts, the Inquisition was positively enlightened. Why then are people in general and the press in particular so surprised to discover that the Inquisition did not barbecue people by the millions? First of all, when most people think of the Inquisition today what they are really thinking of is the Spanish Inquisition. No, not even that is correct. They are thinking of the myth of the Spanish Inquisition. Amazingly, before 1530 the Spanish Inquisition was widely hailed as the best run, most humane court in Europe. There are actually records of convicts in Spain purposely blaspheming so that they could be transferred to the prisons of the Spanish Inquisition. http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/madden200406181026.asp
Perhaps the most extreme act of book-banning in history occurred on Oct. 27, 1553, in Geneva, when the brilliant theologian Michael Servetus was led to the stake, to be burned alive together with his book, the Christianismi Restitutio, the Restoration of Christianity, in which he denied the existence of the Holy Trinity and attacked the Protestant ruler of Geneva, John Calvin
Oliver Cromwell was deemed a moderate because he massacred only Catholics and Anglicans, not other Protestants. This Puritan general commanded Bible-carrying soldiers, whom he roused to religious fervor. After decimating an Anglican army, Cromwell said, "God made them as stubble to our swords." He demanded the beheading of the defeated King Charles I, and made himself the holy dictator of England during the 1650s. When his army crushed the hated Irish Catholics, he ordered the execution of the surrendered defenders of
Drogheda and their priests, calling it "a righteous judgment of God upon these barbarous wretches."
Ukrainian Bogdan Chmielnicki was a Cossack Cromwell. He wore the banner of
Eastern Orthodoxy in a holy war against Jews and Polish Catholics. More than 100,000 were killed in this 17th-century bloodbath, and the Ukraine was split away from Poland to become part of the Orthodox Russian empire.
In 1656, the Friends of Society, also called Quakers, arrived in Boston and were greeted by quite a welcome wagon. The Puritans, the founders of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, had them whipped, jailed and hanged for breaking their strict religious codes that they enforced as laws. Yes, these were the folks who a quarter of a century before fled Europe in order to have religious freedom. Once here, however, they only wanted freedom for their own religion. The Quakers were banished from Boston and hung if they returned. Eventually an area called Pennsylvania http://www.helium.com/tm/364298/firs...-quakers-early
Quakers: Persecution in colonial MassachusettsA law was passed at the same time, subjecting every shipmaster importing Quakers or Quaker writings to a heavy fine; adjudging all Quakers who should intrude into the colony to stripes and labor in the house of correction, and all defenders of their tenets to fine, imprisonment, or exile..
1700 - In June, Massachusetts passes a law ordering all Roman Catholic priests to leave the colony within three months, upon penalty of life imprisonment or execution. New York then passes a similar law
1702 - In Maryland, the Anglican Church is established as the official church, financially supported by
Persecution of Catholics still alive
In India, Catholic churches are regularly burned by Hindu Fundamentalists, and both Hindus and local animist groups have harassed and killed Catholic converts. In Pakistan, which disagrees with India about everything else, an Islamic Fundamentalist government does the same. Even great charity is no protection. Mother Teresa’s Sisters of Charity have been threatened in India and three of them were murdered in Yemen in the 1990s. Following is the first in a series of articles by Robert Royal, author of the soon-to-be released book Catholic Martyrs of the 20th Century.
http://www.catholicherald.com/royal/royal1.htm
Our Sunday Visitor: Persecution of Catholics still alive, oppression’s face fanatic, traditional http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=19509
Two Teens Were Planning Columbine-Style Church Bombing Two Westerville teens are accused of plotting to bomb a Catholic church and two area restaurants in a Columbine-style attack, investigators said.Westerville police charged Scott Ennis, 16, and Daniel Woodrum, 15, each with delinquency counts of conspiracy to commit arson. Both are students at Westerville North High school. http://thegreatrealization.wordpress...hurch-bombing/
Bomb attack on NI Catholic churchSeptember 5, 2007 A Catholic church has been damaged by a bomb attack in Co Down, the PSNI revealed yesterday http://www.boston.com/news/world/eur...tholic_church/
Graffiti carry threats against PopeNaples, Oct. 5, 2007 (CWNews.com) - Threats against Pope Benedict XVI (bio - news) have been scrawled on the walls of buildings in Naples, Italy, a few weeks before a visit there by the Pontiff.
Graffiti reading "Death to the Pope" and "Death to Ratzinger" have appeared in the Italian city, where Pope Benedict is scheduled to make a one-day visit on October 21. Italian police officials believe that the graffiti were the work of leftist groups. In April of this year, death threats against Archbishop Angelo Bagnasco of Genoa prompted police to provide the archbishop, who heads the Italian episcopal conference, with police protection. Those threats-- which also came in the form of graffiti, as well as anonymous letters http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=53969
San Francisco's 'Anti-Catholic' Resolution Prompts LawsuitAccording to Richard Thompson, President and Chief Counsel of the Thomas More Law Center, “The demagoguery and virulent words of this resolution are reminiscent of the anti- Catholic bigotry of the Ku Klux Klan and the Know Nothings, which marred our Nation’s earlier history. San Francisco may as well have put up signs at the City limits: ‘Faithful Catholics Not Welcomed.” http://www.thomasmore.org/news.html?NewsID=410
Christians attacked by Muslims in NigeriaLagos, Oct. 5, 2007 (CWNews.com) - Militant Muslims have torched the homes of several Christian families in Nigeria, the relief group Aid to the Church in Need reports. At least 8 homes of Christian families have been burned to the ground, and other Christian homes damaged, in a series of attacks in the town of Tudun-Wada, the group reports. Nine Christians, including a Catholic priest, were injured during the attacks.
Violence between Christians and Muslims has become a major concern in Nigeria, where the population is split between the heavily Islamic north and the mostly Christian south. Several northern states have adopted Islamic law, despite strong protests from Christians living there http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=53972
The Act of Settlement, 1701, William III1.This makes the succession of Catholics, the illegitimate, or those who are adopted illegal.
2.That whosoever shall hereafter come to the possession of this Crown, shall join in communion with the Church of England, as by law established
3.The sovereign of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland must join in communion with the Church of England. http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A695441
Earlier in 2006, Blair rejected calls for repeal.
"Talking about Prince William, he can marry by law a Hindu, a Buddhist, anyone, but not a Roman Catholic,” he said. "That seems to me anomalous and I think it should go." http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=24206
Wednesday, October 24, 2007
Wednesday, September 26, 2007
Church in America
1513- Ponce de Leon, who discovered the "island of La Florida" No priests accompanied this voyage, but as a Catholic layman, Ponce himself dedicated this land to God
1521 - The first authenticated visit of priests when Ponce de Leon finally carried out a commission given him seven years earlier
1565 -St. Augustine." The first pastor of the future United States, Father Francisco Lopez de Mendoza Grajales, offered there a Solemn Mass in honor of the Nativity of the Blessed Virgin Mary,Spaniards and Indians in the first communal Thanksgiving of our country's first permanent settlement. It also marked the inception of the Parish of St. Augustine.
1597 - An Indian uprising decimated Georgian Franciscans in 1597, but within the century the Friars Minor organized at least thirty thriving missions at which 26,000 Indians were instructed in European arts and crafts as well as Catholic catechism.
1598- Our nation's second church was erected in 1598-in San Juan, later Saint Gabriel, New Mexico. In that same year, "Nuestra Senora de la Soledad" (Our Lady of Solitude), the first hospital, was built in Florida
1636 - In June, Roger Williams founds Providence and Rhode Island. Williams had been banished from Massachusetts
1646 - In Massachusetts, the general court approves a law that makes religious heresy punishable by death.
1649 The Religious Toleration Law of 1649 establishing toleration for all religions in early Maryland
1652 - Rhode Island enacts the first law in the colonies declaring slavery illegal.
1654 Maryland. In the new colony, religious tolerance for all so-called Christians was preserved by Calvert until 1654. In that year, Puritans from Virginia succeeded in overthrowing Calvert's rule
1656 - Massachusetts, where it was illegal to participate in any faith other than the legally established congregationalism of the Puritan founders of the colony. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0521525047
In 1656, the Friends of Society, also called Quakers, arrived in Boston and were greeted by quite a welcome wagon. The Puritans, the founders of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, had them whipped, jailed and hanged for breaking their strict religious codes that they enforced as laws. Yes, these were the folks who a quarter of a century before fled Europe in order to have religious freedom. Once here, however, they only wanted freedom for their own religion. The Quakers were banished from Boston and hung if they returned. Eventually an area called Pennsylvania
Quakers: Persecution in colonial MassachusettsA law was passed at the same time, subjecting every shipmaster importing Quakers or Quaker writings to a heavy fine; adjudging all Quakers who should intrude into the colony to stripes and labor in the house of correction, and all defenders of their tenets to fine, imprisonment, or exile..
http://www.helium.com/tm/364298/firs...-quakers-early
1688 - Quakers in Pennsylvania issue a formal protest against slavery in America.
1692 Maryland's famous Religious Toleration Act officially ended, and the Maryland Assembly established the so-called Church of England as the official State religion
1692 - In May, hysteria grips the village of Salem, Massachusetts, as witchcraft suspects are arrested and imprisoned.
1700 - In June, Massachusetts passes a law ordering all Roman Catholic priests to leave the colony within three months, upon penalty of life imprisonment or execution. New York then passes a similar law
1702 - In Maryland, the Anglican Church is established as the official church, financially supported by taxation imposed on all free men, male servants and slaves.
1706 - South Carolina establishes the Anglican Church as its official church
1728 - Jewish colonists in New York City build the first American synagogue.
1732 - February 22, George Washington is born in Virginia. Also in February, The First Mass is celebrated in the only Catholic church in colonial America, in Philadelphia. In June, Georgia, the 13th English colony, is founded
http://www.scarborough.k12.me.us/wis/teachers/dtewhey/webquest/colonial/colonial%20era%20timeline.htm
Catholic Church in Colonial America
Catholics were a decided minority in the original 13 English colonies. As we see in the first general report on the state of Catholicism by John Carroll in 1785, Catholics were a mere handful. He conservatively estimated the Catholic population in those colonies to be 25,000. Of this figure, 15,800 resided in Maryland, about 7,000 in Pennsylvania, and another 1,500 in New York. Considering that the population in the first federal census of 1790 totaled 3,939,000, the Catholic presence was less than one percent, certainly not a significant force in the original 13 British colonies.
http://www.traditioninaction.org/History/B_001_Colonies.html
FROM COLUMBUS TO THE TWENTIETH CENTURY
http://www.franciscanfriarstor.com/f...ory_part_I.htm
Sir George Calvert, the first Lord Baltimore (1580-1632)
George Calvert was the first person to dream of a colony in America where Catholics and Protestants could prosper together. He was born in Yorkshire, England and studied at Trinity College at Oxford. Sir Robert Cecil, who worked for King James I, hired George to be his secretary. George loved his work. Sir Robert trusted George as a good advisor. King James I then rewarded him with the title of “Knight” for good service in 1617. George became, Sir George Calvert, Secretary of State for King James I.
By the time that King James I died and his son Charles I ruled England, George had distinguished himself as a statesman and loyal subject. He served several terms as a Minister of Parliament. King James I, and later his son King Charles I, gave George lands in Ireland and grants of money. Yet George had a problem: he had become a member of the Roman Catholic Church. Catholics were not permitted to work in high offices for the King of England or to work as Ministers of Parliament.
In 1625, George announced to James I that he had become a Catholic, and so had to resign his job. But King James I liked George so much that he decided to give him another title. Sir George Calvert then became the First Baron of Baltimore, a town on the southern coast of Ireland.
In 1620, George Calvert (1579/80-1632) purchased a parcel of land in Newfoundland from Sir William Vaughan. The land extended from just south of Aquaforte to Caplin Bay (now Calvert). The following year, Calvert's colonists set off for Ferryland under the leadership of governor Captain Edward Wynne. After the colony had been established, Calvert obtained a larger land grant from King James I of England, who awarded him "the Province of Avalon". Although the archaeological history of Ferryland essentially stops with the French raid of 1696, the succeeding two centuries are filled with fascinating characters and events. Many of these are interpreted at the Ferryland Museum
George then asked the King for a grant of land further south near the Chesapeake Bay. He drew a map for King Charles I, showing a territory that he wanted just north of the colony of Virginia. He hoped that this territory would have warmer weather and so be more suitable for an English colony. George died in 1632, before Charles I had time to approve the charter for George’s colony, named Maryland (“Terra Mariae”). George’s eldest son, Cecil, the Second Lord Baltimore helped to bring his father’s dream colony to life. Another son, Leonard, became Maryland’s First Governor.
http://mdroots.thinkport.org/library/georgecalvert.asp
http://www.heritage.nf.ca/avalon/history/default.html
1521 - The first authenticated visit of priests when Ponce de Leon finally carried out a commission given him seven years earlier
1565 -St. Augustine." The first pastor of the future United States, Father Francisco Lopez de Mendoza Grajales, offered there a Solemn Mass in honor of the Nativity of the Blessed Virgin Mary,Spaniards and Indians in the first communal Thanksgiving of our country's first permanent settlement. It also marked the inception of the Parish of St. Augustine.
1597 - An Indian uprising decimated Georgian Franciscans in 1597, but within the century the Friars Minor organized at least thirty thriving missions at which 26,000 Indians were instructed in European arts and crafts as well as Catholic catechism.
1598- Our nation's second church was erected in 1598-in San Juan, later Saint Gabriel, New Mexico. In that same year, "Nuestra Senora de la Soledad" (Our Lady of Solitude), the first hospital, was built in Florida
1636 - In June, Roger Williams founds Providence and Rhode Island. Williams had been banished from Massachusetts
1646 - In Massachusetts, the general court approves a law that makes religious heresy punishable by death.
1649 The Religious Toleration Law of 1649 establishing toleration for all religions in early Maryland
1652 - Rhode Island enacts the first law in the colonies declaring slavery illegal.
1654 Maryland. In the new colony, religious tolerance for all so-called Christians was preserved by Calvert until 1654. In that year, Puritans from Virginia succeeded in overthrowing Calvert's rule
1656 - Massachusetts, where it was illegal to participate in any faith other than the legally established congregationalism of the Puritan founders of the colony. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0521525047
In 1656, the Friends of Society, also called Quakers, arrived in Boston and were greeted by quite a welcome wagon. The Puritans, the founders of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, had them whipped, jailed and hanged for breaking their strict religious codes that they enforced as laws. Yes, these were the folks who a quarter of a century before fled Europe in order to have religious freedom. Once here, however, they only wanted freedom for their own religion. The Quakers were banished from Boston and hung if they returned. Eventually an area called Pennsylvania
Quakers: Persecution in colonial MassachusettsA law was passed at the same time, subjecting every shipmaster importing Quakers or Quaker writings to a heavy fine; adjudging all Quakers who should intrude into the colony to stripes and labor in the house of correction, and all defenders of their tenets to fine, imprisonment, or exile..
http://www.helium.com/tm/364298/firs...-quakers-early
1688 - Quakers in Pennsylvania issue a formal protest against slavery in America.
1692 Maryland's famous Religious Toleration Act officially ended, and the Maryland Assembly established the so-called Church of England as the official State religion
1692 - In May, hysteria grips the village of Salem, Massachusetts, as witchcraft suspects are arrested and imprisoned.
1700 - In June, Massachusetts passes a law ordering all Roman Catholic priests to leave the colony within three months, upon penalty of life imprisonment or execution. New York then passes a similar law
1702 - In Maryland, the Anglican Church is established as the official church, financially supported by taxation imposed on all free men, male servants and slaves.
1706 - South Carolina establishes the Anglican Church as its official church
1728 - Jewish colonists in New York City build the first American synagogue.
1732 - February 22, George Washington is born in Virginia. Also in February, The First Mass is celebrated in the only Catholic church in colonial America, in Philadelphia. In June, Georgia, the 13th English colony, is founded
http://www.scarborough.k12.me.us/wis/teachers/dtewhey/webquest/colonial/colonial%20era%20timeline.htm
Catholic Church in Colonial America
Catholics were a decided minority in the original 13 English colonies. As we see in the first general report on the state of Catholicism by John Carroll in 1785, Catholics were a mere handful. He conservatively estimated the Catholic population in those colonies to be 25,000. Of this figure, 15,800 resided in Maryland, about 7,000 in Pennsylvania, and another 1,500 in New York. Considering that the population in the first federal census of 1790 totaled 3,939,000, the Catholic presence was less than one percent, certainly not a significant force in the original 13 British colonies.
http://www.traditioninaction.org/History/B_001_Colonies.html
FROM COLUMBUS TO THE TWENTIETH CENTURY
http://www.franciscanfriarstor.com/f...ory_part_I.htm
Sir George Calvert, the first Lord Baltimore (1580-1632)
George Calvert was the first person to dream of a colony in America where Catholics and Protestants could prosper together. He was born in Yorkshire, England and studied at Trinity College at Oxford. Sir Robert Cecil, who worked for King James I, hired George to be his secretary. George loved his work. Sir Robert trusted George as a good advisor. King James I then rewarded him with the title of “Knight” for good service in 1617. George became, Sir George Calvert, Secretary of State for King James I.
By the time that King James I died and his son Charles I ruled England, George had distinguished himself as a statesman and loyal subject. He served several terms as a Minister of Parliament. King James I, and later his son King Charles I, gave George lands in Ireland and grants of money. Yet George had a problem: he had become a member of the Roman Catholic Church. Catholics were not permitted to work in high offices for the King of England or to work as Ministers of Parliament.
In 1625, George announced to James I that he had become a Catholic, and so had to resign his job. But King James I liked George so much that he decided to give him another title. Sir George Calvert then became the First Baron of Baltimore, a town on the southern coast of Ireland.
In 1620, George Calvert (1579/80-1632) purchased a parcel of land in Newfoundland from Sir William Vaughan. The land extended from just south of Aquaforte to Caplin Bay (now Calvert). The following year, Calvert's colonists set off for Ferryland under the leadership of governor Captain Edward Wynne. After the colony had been established, Calvert obtained a larger land grant from King James I of England, who awarded him "the Province of Avalon". Although the archaeological history of Ferryland essentially stops with the French raid of 1696, the succeeding two centuries are filled with fascinating characters and events. Many of these are interpreted at the Ferryland Museum
George then asked the King for a grant of land further south near the Chesapeake Bay. He drew a map for King Charles I, showing a territory that he wanted just north of the colony of Virginia. He hoped that this territory would have warmer weather and so be more suitable for an English colony. George died in 1632, before Charles I had time to approve the charter for George’s colony, named Maryland (“Terra Mariae”). George’s eldest son, Cecil, the Second Lord Baltimore helped to bring his father’s dream colony to life. Another son, Leonard, became Maryland’s First Governor.
http://mdroots.thinkport.org/library/georgecalvert.asp
http://www.heritage.nf.ca/avalon/history/default.html
Thursday, September 13, 2007
The Dark Side
Old Heresy never dies they just change thier name to LDS
1. Called by its followers "the New Prophecy", this movement is known to us as Montanism after its founder Montanus, a convert to Christianity. Around the year 170 he began to proclaim to his fellow believers that he was a prophet, that he was the very mouthpiece of that Spirit which the Lord had promised would "teach all things and guide into all truth" (John 14:26; 16:13).
Montanus was soon joined by two women, Priscilla and Maximilla who like him delivered oracles in a state of ecstacy, speaking not in their own persons but in that of the Holy Spirit.
2. Montanus and his companions represented a revival of the apocalyptic spirit and announced the forthcoming end of the world. The Lord was about to return, and the new Jerusalem would be set up in the vicinity of the town of Pepuza in Phrygia. As preparation for the end of all things they purified themselves and cut themselves loose from their attachments to society. The Phrygians, as they were frequently called, fasted longer and more elaborately than other Christians and discouraged marriage.
http://www.theologywebsite.com/history/montanus.shtml
Montanism- , apocalyptic movement of the 2d cent. It arose in Phrygia (c.172) under the leadership of a certain Montanus and two female prophets, Prisca and Maximillia, whose entranced utterances were deemed oracles of the Holy Spirit. They had an immediate expectation of Judgment Day, and they encouraged ecstatic prophesying and strict asceticism. They believed that a Christian fallen from grace could never be redeemed. Prisca claimed that Christ had appeared to her in female form. When she was excommunicated, she exclaimed "I am driven away like the wolf from the sheep. I am no wolf: I am word and spirit and power."
The belief that the prophecies of the Montanists superseded the doctrines proclaimed by the Apostles
http://education.yahoo.com/reference...entry/Montanis
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10521a.htm
Google - five points of fellowship
This is amazing. This is what I went through in November 1990. http://www.mormonismi.info/jamesdavid/masendow.htm
I didn't know I was being endowed as a Mason!!!!! Praise God that my eyes were opened.
Phi5 Senior Member
To many Jews, "baptized" has a greater emotional reaction because to them — and me — to posthumously baptize a Jew is to rape his soul.
http://deseretnews.com/dn/print/1,14...037136,00.html
Lying for the Lord refers to the practice of lying to protect the image of and belief in the Mormon religion, a practice which Mormonism itself fosters in various ways. From Joseph Smith's denial of having more than one wife, to polygamous Mormon missionaries telling European investigators that reports about polygamy in Utah were lies put out by "anti-Mormons" and disgruntled ex-members, to Gordon B. Hinckley's dishonest equivocation on national television over Mormon doctrine
http://www.mormonwiki.org/index.php?title=Lying_for_the_Lord&
Former Mormon bishop explains the collapse of his faith
McCue said, "I read Mormon history as the professional historians write it, and realized that my religious leaders had misled me as to how Mormonism started, and [recognized]&a pattern of Mormon leadership deception [that] goes back to Mormonism's beginnings with Joseph Smith."
It suppresses all information that does not encourage Mormons to be more obedient to current Mormon leaders. Hence, facts that strongly suggest Smith and other Mormon leaders are not trustworthy are airbrushed out of Mormon consciousness.
http://mccue.cc/bob/spirituality.htm
http://www.rickross.com/reference/mormon/mormon164.html
Conclusion It would seem that Mormons who willfully declare the Journal to be unreliable fall into one of two camps. Either they are honestly ignorant of how and why these sermons were preserved and therefore have no authority to speak on the matter, or they are purposely being deceitful.
It appears obvious that one of the reasons a Mormon may wish to distance himself from the Journal is because it contains information with which he may personally disagree. I too am glad that discerning individuals recognize that the Journal contains some bizarre notions that should not be believed. However, Mormons who hold to this conclusion cannot escape the fact that they are also being intellectually dishonest
if they extol such spokesmen as prophets and apostles of God while being fully aware that they taught things that are considered blatant heresy by their church today. Sadly, that is the double standard many Latter-day Saints choose to employ.
If LDS leaders really feel that the Journal is unreliable they need to quit quoting it and admit to their members that Mormon prophets are quite capable of leading the church astray. The fact that the church has yet to offer an official statement denouncing the Journal also tends to speak volumes.
http://www.mrm.org/topics/miscellane...-eternal-truth
1. Called by its followers "the New Prophecy", this movement is known to us as Montanism after its founder Montanus, a convert to Christianity. Around the year 170 he began to proclaim to his fellow believers that he was a prophet, that he was the very mouthpiece of that Spirit which the Lord had promised would "teach all things and guide into all truth" (John 14:26; 16:13).
Montanus was soon joined by two women, Priscilla and Maximilla who like him delivered oracles in a state of ecstacy, speaking not in their own persons but in that of the Holy Spirit.
2. Montanus and his companions represented a revival of the apocalyptic spirit and announced the forthcoming end of the world. The Lord was about to return, and the new Jerusalem would be set up in the vicinity of the town of Pepuza in Phrygia. As preparation for the end of all things they purified themselves and cut themselves loose from their attachments to society. The Phrygians, as they were frequently called, fasted longer and more elaborately than other Christians and discouraged marriage.
http://www.theologywebsite.com/history/montanus.shtml
Montanism- , apocalyptic movement of the 2d cent. It arose in Phrygia (c.172) under the leadership of a certain Montanus and two female prophets, Prisca and Maximillia, whose entranced utterances were deemed oracles of the Holy Spirit. They had an immediate expectation of Judgment Day, and they encouraged ecstatic prophesying and strict asceticism. They believed that a Christian fallen from grace could never be redeemed. Prisca claimed that Christ had appeared to her in female form. When she was excommunicated, she exclaimed "I am driven away like the wolf from the sheep. I am no wolf: I am word and spirit and power."
The belief that the prophecies of the Montanists superseded the doctrines proclaimed by the Apostles
http://education.yahoo.com/reference...entry/Montanis
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10521a.htm
Google - five points of fellowship
This is amazing. This is what I went through in November 1990. http://www.mormonismi.info/jamesdavid/masendow.htm
I didn't know I was being endowed as a Mason!!!!! Praise God that my eyes were opened.
Phi5 Senior Member
To many Jews, "baptized" has a greater emotional reaction because to them — and me — to posthumously baptize a Jew is to rape his soul.
http://deseretnews.com/dn/print/1,14...037136,00.html
Lying for the Lord refers to the practice of lying to protect the image of and belief in the Mormon religion, a practice which Mormonism itself fosters in various ways. From Joseph Smith's denial of having more than one wife, to polygamous Mormon missionaries telling European investigators that reports about polygamy in Utah were lies put out by "anti-Mormons" and disgruntled ex-members, to Gordon B. Hinckley's dishonest equivocation on national television over Mormon doctrine
http://www.mormonwiki.org/index.php?title=Lying_for_the_Lord&
Former Mormon bishop explains the collapse of his faith
McCue said, "I read Mormon history as the professional historians write it, and realized that my religious leaders had misled me as to how Mormonism started, and [recognized]&a pattern of Mormon leadership deception [that] goes back to Mormonism's beginnings with Joseph Smith."
It suppresses all information that does not encourage Mormons to be more obedient to current Mormon leaders. Hence, facts that strongly suggest Smith and other Mormon leaders are not trustworthy are airbrushed out of Mormon consciousness.
http://mccue.cc/bob/spirituality.htm
http://www.rickross.com/reference/mormon/mormon164.html
Conclusion It would seem that Mormons who willfully declare the Journal to be unreliable fall into one of two camps. Either they are honestly ignorant of how and why these sermons were preserved and therefore have no authority to speak on the matter, or they are purposely being deceitful.
It appears obvious that one of the reasons a Mormon may wish to distance himself from the Journal is because it contains information with which he may personally disagree. I too am glad that discerning individuals recognize that the Journal contains some bizarre notions that should not be believed. However, Mormons who hold to this conclusion cannot escape the fact that they are also being intellectually dishonest
if they extol such spokesmen as prophets and apostles of God while being fully aware that they taught things that are considered blatant heresy by their church today. Sadly, that is the double standard many Latter-day Saints choose to employ.
If LDS leaders really feel that the Journal is unreliable they need to quit quoting it and admit to their members that Mormon prophets are quite capable of leading the church astray. The fact that the church has yet to offer an official statement denouncing the Journal also tends to speak volumes.
http://www.mrm.org/topics/miscellane...-eternal-truth
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